America as the birthplace of Multiculturalism and Political Correctness

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I have touched upon this many times. An ongoing discussion over at
Gates of Vienna inspired me to make a more complete and systematic
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argument. The subject of that discussion is slavery. It was pointed out how
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in America, unlike in many other places, the slaves were not castrated. To
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which I answered:
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As Dymphna touched upon, the slaves in America were treated
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very humanely in comparison. A relation of caring and respect
could often develop between the black slave and the white owner.
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But a modern Western European cannot allow himself to know
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that, he must see this slavery and all of its expressions as evil evil
evil. And neither an American today either, at least not under the
current Presidency.
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By not castrating the slaves America today has got some 40
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million descendants of these slaves living among them, as a
people within the people, who forever hold a grudge against their
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former imprisoners, no matter how well they are treated or fawned
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upon. There are fundamental reasons of human psychology why it
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is so.
I'm a vicious antisemite!
In addition this made America the international scapegoat of "evil"
Ferdinand Bardamu on the foolishness of
slavery. It's very simple: people associate slavery with America,
since in America you can see loads of traces of slavery, such as
anti-Semitism and anti-anti-Semitism
40 million black people (in essence every time we meet a black
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American we have the issue of slavery at the back of our head).
Nobody thinks much of the slavery by Britain, France, etc. Or by
Ferdinand Bardamu: "White people are
the Arabs. Since there's nothing there to remind us. Btw Rocha, I
their own worst enemy"
think the blackness found in Yemen can be because of its climate
When is discussing useful anyway?
zone, quite as for black people in southern India (look at your own
map).
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So this has been the reward for the kindness Americans shown to
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their slaves.
Certain things should be done properly, or not at all. E.g. going to
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war. Either one abstains from it or one does it properly in the
responsible way. Doing it as a half-measure is the worst thing.
Any comment that does not contribute to
Same with slavery, in my view. The half-measure has the worst
the discussion in a meaningful, respectful
consequences (as seen above). Treat them kindly by all means,
and intellectually honest way risks ending
but make sure to castrate them. Or better, have no slaves.
up on the scrap heap. If you get upset by
the topics discussed here (many people
I think this is one more example of how this sort of goodness leads
have indeed become so during the years)
to not only wrong but potentially devastating results.
it's a pity if you should waste your time by
writing a comment that will never see the
daylight. I'm fed up with the mediocracy of
But it doesn't stop there. After the Civil War the Americans did not only free
open/free debate. I want to see good
their slaves, but actually made them citizens!! (once again the modern
debate.
men do not grasp the vast significance of this second step!). And that was
the embryo of the first multicultural state. Multiculturalism and race-
sensitive political correctness was being born, and in place early 20th
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century in America. And subsequently these ideals where spread / pushed
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America as the birthplace of
upon Europe after WWII. The American race-mixed society became the
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ideal, and the Western European nations followed suit. And so we are
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where we are today.
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Here are some evidence of the prevalence of PC + MC in America before
West
1945, while the opposite was in place in Europe:
Christian ethics--to be or not to be?
1. Agatha Christie publishes a book called Ten Little Niggers in 1939 in
Jewish God, anti-Semitism and Oedipus
Britain. It was immediately renamed And Then There Were None when
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released in the US in 1940. Such a uber-sensitive politically correct
"translation" of the title was not adapted in Great Britain until 1967, and in
Catholicism--anecdotal conservatism
Sweden only in 2007.
Islam--perverted parasitical psychopathy
2. See here a collection of reviews of Louis Armstrong's visit to Sweden in
1933. In all the news papers he was described as something monkey-like
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let loose from the jungle. All across the line! And this in the reviews by the
most serious music critics. Hardly PC, nor MC.
1. Join the art project!
2. Part 2: Sweden Democrats and
3. The first expression in art of multiculturalism, that I know of, is from the
Hollywood Nazis
American movie Birth of a Race from 1918. In the scene staring at 5:30
Jesus is speaking to all the races of the whole world. Watch it here! Check
3. Catholicism--birth control and birth
out the Chinese sitting there listening to Jesus, that's hilarious! And it's
rates (part II)
hard to blame the Frankfurt School for this one :-)
4. Islam--perverted parasitical
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psychopathy
These are clear evidence of both PC and MC in America in the interwar
5. I'm an island
period, while evidence of the opposite attitude in Europe in the same
period. What does that suggest about the origin of MC + PC for the
impartial observer? It is important to realize this, since most right-wingers
see America as the one that could save us from the horrible evils of MC +
PC. Which is unfortunately an upside down view. Which more and more
right-wingers have woken up to with the ascendence of Obama.
It took the post-WWII anti-Nazification campaign and Adorno's "F-Factor"
to wash out traditional European attitudes and install MC + PC in their
place. As I have written elsewhere:
America is seen as right-wing in the current political theater,
however historically America together with France has been the
main force in pushing our civilization to the left.
After WWII European patriotism was seen as the root of the evil,
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which had to be held down. The only permitted patriotisms where
American and Israeli. Britain and France got away with some, but
after the Suez crisis in 1956 they were effectively out of the picture
too. Now offensive military actions were only accepted from
America and Israel.
In the 50s and the 60s America and Israel were celebrated as
model countries of progressivism. European conservatism had
been rooted out in the cultural revolution imposed upon America in
Western Europe. Adorno's The F-Factor describes European
conservatism as a psychological pathology related to fascism. But
the Europeans learned fast. First they learned to follow the
American example and see America as the model country. The
Europeans could pick this up fast since the ideas were rooted in

the Christian gospels. But soon they learned that America didn't
live up to code of moral goodness that they had imposed on the
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Europeans. And left-wing anti-Americanism was born. And to be
precise, even anti-Americans wasn't born in Europe but also
2011 (10)
imported from the US.
2010 (3)
The problem for America was that in their quest to end all "evil"
empires, they had effectively become the big empire themselves.
2009 (32)
E.g. inheriting the role of maintaining the Pax Britannica. Then they
November (1)
had to do all the sort of things they had taught the Europeans
were wrong. The Europeans soon learned to beat the Americans
October (2)
in their own game, becoming the leading in progressivism and
September (1)
"holier than thou". And curiously enough, thus America ended up
being seen as right-wing. The original right-wing had been rooted
August (3)
out in a collaboration between America and the European
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"Intellectual subtlety"
socialists in the wake of WWII.
America as the birthplace of
The turning point came by the end of the 60s -- the Vietnam war
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and the Six-Days war. The image of America and Israel shifted,
and they were no longer seen as the model countries of
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progressivism, but as "evil" right-wing countries. We should
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remember that our progressivist paradigm (which is always going
left) is based on Christian ethics. And Christian ethics means the
July (2)
inversion of values. So it's the weak that is considered good, while
the strong is considered evil. In WWI and WWII America had
June (5)
defeated all the strong (and therefore evil) European empires. The
May (9)
job was completed in the Suez crisis in 1956 by turning against
their former allies. But you can never win with Christian ethics,
April (8)
because now America became the strong one, and therefore the
evil one.
January (1)
So now American and Israeli patriotism becomes highly questioned
2008 (19)
and opposed. But not based on restoring any other patriotism, but
by going even deeper into deranged progessivism. Thus, in effect,
2007 (77)
American and Israeli patriotism are still the only permitted
patriotisms. Surely now the holiest priests of our leftist paradigm
now condemn the actions of America and Israel. But in effect it is
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tolerated. While if any other (white) country acts militarily
offensively it's seen as a major global crisis (e.g. Serbia, Russia).
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I will conclude with something I wrote last year:
1918 and 1945 have been the recent paradigm shifts at
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civilizational level. The civil war for America. 1989 for Eastern
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Europe. 1968 was a minor transformation.
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1918 and 1945 are better seen as two steps of the same shift, with
1945 as the concluding step, and therefore a more decisive
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change. In fact, the American civil war was a pre-step to all this, its
resulting "patch" was made universal across the West from 1945.
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The embryo of multiculturalism was dreamed up during the
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enlightenment, but was first institutionalized by the result of the
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American civil war.
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As Diamed has written:
"If we had combined freeing the slaves with deporting them, they
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could hardly complain since they had never been citizens in the
first place. Unfortunately Lincoln was assassinated, the plan was
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abandoned, and the window of opportunity vanished. Now blacks
are equal citizens of the USA and, so long as the USA exists, it is
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as much black as it is white."
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And multiculturalism was born, and out of its rib bone political
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correctness had to be created.
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Rollory said...
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Yup. No argument with any of that.
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I've seen claims that Lincoln planned on deporting them all before
he was killed. It wouldn't have made up for his smashing the
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power of the states (absolutely necessary in restraining the
federal government) but it would've helped. Also that a senator
Gerald Celente
Theodore Bilbo tried to do the same thing in the 1920s. Today of
course suggesting such a thing in public would be unacceptable,
Guillaume Faye
so things will drift until the separation impulse turns violent.
Hans-Hermann Hoppe
August 14, 2009 2:30 AM
HonestThinking
Afonso Henriques said...
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Conservative Swede,
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"After the Civil War the Americans did not only free their slaves,
but actually made them citizens!! (once again the modern men do
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not grasp the vast significance of this second step!)."
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In my identity card I have two things: Nationality and Citizenship.
Liberty and Culture
My view is close to yours. I just believe we can have citizens who
are not Nationals. I mean, people living here, enjoying "some"
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benefits and havins "some" responsabilities. And then we could
have the entire people being both Citizens AND Nationals. The
Mr. O'Brian's Thinking Emporium
Nation would be anchored in the Nationals and the Citizens would
just be people the Nationals would accept but who would never
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be real Nationals (It would be easy to take the Citizenship away
from them too). And of course, because I'm really evil, I think that
Ohmyrus essays (FFI)
only some few Nationals could constitute a "Nobility" and "direct"
the entire Nation.
Organicist
Peter Schiff
Conservative Swede, what I really wanted to say was another
thing. You say that Multiculturalism was born in America. Have
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you study Mexico? Do so. It is a very interesting case and I
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believe it was indeed the first self proclaimed multicultural country.
And proud of it.
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But you're right when you say that Mexico never had the power to
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impose its multiculturality in Europe. The same can't be said of the
United States and I tell you that your reason is very strongly
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based in logics. Yes, America is the root of the problem the
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French initiated.
I just don't think your three examples are bright ones. Sorry man,
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I'm being honest.
August 14, 2009 1:40 PM
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Srdja Trifkovic
Conservative Swede said...
While not agreeing with the rest of what he says, Afonso makes a
Steve Sailer
very good point over at GoV:
Stratfor
Baron B had written:
Surviving in Argentina
The truth is that Muslims have been slaughtering and enslaving
black Africans for more than a millennium.
The Anger of a Quiet Man
Afonso answers:
The Conservative Kitchen Table
This is redundant. The Africans themselves enslaved each other
(just lay an eye on Haiti) like no one did.
The Joy of Curmudgeonry
That is, the Africans treated each other much worse than the
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Americans treated them. In fact, as bad as the Muslims. And with
English
have other such historical examples of inter-race atrocities, e.g.
the Aztecs.
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So ones again, how were the Americans rewarded for this
niceness? By permanently having a class of people built into their
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their society who will, as a group, forever feel grudge against the
majority for having enslaved their ancestors. And as a
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consequence of this, becoming known as the epitome of cruel
slavery. And this is all an effect of their own creation, by their
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nicety. As Rollory pointed out, this could have been avoided if
Lincoln had been able to execute his plan.
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This is yet another example of human decency that does not
scale up to the state level.
But for example: Shouldn't we help poor people? Yes, of course.
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But if we apply this morality at the state level and hand out welfare
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money to them, we create a permanent class of poor people
within our society that will grow. Essentially we pay them to
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remain poor.
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As Baron Bodissey pointed out in his excellent Darwin at Work
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article: "Christian ethical principles don't scale up." This holds true
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for any altruism "originally intended to be a code followed by the
individual believer."
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We should help poor people as individuals. But if the state is
doing the same, not only does it spend other people's money (the
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taxpayers money), but it causes a problem instead of fixing it. The
same with single mothers. We should help and support them as
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individuals. But if the state is doing it, it will encourage more to
become single mothers. The incentive for single mothers must be
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to find a new man. If they end up finding abusive men, we should
help them with that -- as individuals.
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Dick Harrison
We are decent people, so we should treat black people, and of
course slaves, with human decency. But once again, this does not
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scale up to the state level. This is a prime example of good
intentions leading to hell. By not deporting their freed black slaves
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and by making the citizens, the American state seriously corrupted
the nation of Americans and created a permanent problem within
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their society.
Flute-tankar
As I always say, what's so special about the Israel/Palestine
Fremskrittspartiet
conflict? Such population transfers and redrawing of maps have
happened many times in history, e.g. between Turkey and Greece
Fria Tider
after WWI, and between Germany and Poland after WWII. And
we do not hear a peep about it today, in spite of there being just
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as many arguments about wrong-doings as with the
Israel/Palestine issue.
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The reason that we hear about the issue all the time is that a
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permanented class of people has been created, the Palestinians,
who forever hold a grudge and are agitated about the issue. Israel
Hodja
could have avoided that, if they had acted more appropriately,
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instead of with half-measures.
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The same applies with America's way of dealing with their former
black slaves. Because of misplaced decency, the United States
Jan Milld
have created a similar class of tens of millions of black
Americans, who will forever hold a grudge and be agitated about
Kent Ekeroth
their crimes of slavery. That's the result of treating slaves with
misplaced decency. It would have been better if they had been
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castrated.
Kurt Lundgren
August 14, 2009 1:56 PM
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Conservative Swede said...
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Afonso,
Nicolai Sennels
What you say about "citizens" and "nationals" is confusing and
incomprehensible.
Peter Santesson
Regarding Mexico. What you say would be interesting if you could
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make that case. So make your case!
Rakryggad
I just don't think your three examples are bright ones. Sorry man,
Robsten
I'm being honest.
SD Webb-TV
Once again flimsy claims without substance from you. It's a nice
irony how your unsubstantiated comment, of how you think my
Snaphanen
examples are not "bright ones", is an example of the very opposite
of a bright comment.
Spydpigen
August 14, 2009 2:10 PM
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Conservative Swede said...
Tanja Bergkvist
Rocha is of course right, over in the other thread. It was not
Ted Ekeroth
Ancient Rome but the Holy Roman Empire who enslaved Slavic
people. And he makes some other good points too:
Thoralf Alfsson
The Germans, not the Romans invaded and conquered the
Tommy Hansson
Sclavus tribe. The latin word for slave is Servus wich in english is
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serf and is on the root of servant. It brings ligh to what the serfs
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really were. and to what catholic mass means as servant of god.
In reality white slaves were common in all europe untill the
Uriasposten
1500's. We have documents telling about them in England,
Varjager
Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, Byzantium, Ireland, Russia, etc.
Crowell slaved thousands of irish in 1650's and send them to the
Zonka
caribeean, they and their descendents were free in the early
1800's and migrated en masse to southern USA.
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August 14, 2009 2:25 PM
Studying our history, to be
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prepared for our future.
Another prize example : Franz Boas and his acolytes, key
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originators of much of the pseudoscience later justifying MC and
some facets of PC.
I often ask myself what advantages our 'good society possesses
over that of the 'savages' and find, the more I see of their
customs, that we have no right to look down upon them. . . We
have no right to blame them for their forms and superstitions
which may seem ridiculous to us. We 'highly educated people' are
much worse, relatively speaking. . . Franz Boas to Marie
Krackowizer, December 23, 1883.
Like the Frankfurt school, a German export, just 50 years prior,
and like the school found his audience in the US.
August 14, 2009 3:16 PM
Afonso Henriques said...
Conservative Swede,
I just do not think your three examples clearly ilustrate a change
of vallues or just a change of prespective of the society or of the
upper segments of the society. To me, all your three examples
seem isolated individual cases. But once again, your reason is
based on logic. I agree with your reason, I just did not like your
examples because I think they do not explain or ilustrate such a
change.
We'll not fight about it, will we?
August 14, 2009 5:30 PM
Afonso Henriques said...
"What you say about "citizens" and "nationals" is confusing and
incomprehensible."
Let me try to simplify it. I know I sometimes cannot express
myself as well as I want to.
The concept of Nationality would be transmited by "jus
sanguinius" (not sure it's how it is spelled), meaning that it would
be transmited from parents to children. It would be granted to the
entire people of a Nation. That people would have all the benefits
and all the responsabilities to the State, the State would exist to
serve them.
In a way, this concept of Nationality follows that hardcore
Nationalist view of it as a somewhat exclusive club. (It would be
derived from the Hitlerian ideal of a "Volk" or the way indigenous
Arabs are prefered in the United Arab Emirates).
The benifitors of Citizenship would be, in a way, second class
citizens. They would enjoy some benefits and have some
responsabilities.
You know that foreign that is likable, actually enriches us
somewhat but is not exactly one of ours? That would recieve the
Citizenship.
It does not matter if he's a cuisine chief, a football player or just
the immigrant who behaves well and actually does the job no one
wants to do without bothering a soul (they are very few, but they
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do exist).
I hope it is now understandable, Conservative Swede.
Concerning Mexico, like every other former colony substatially
populated by European peoples (colonizers), it was the
Europeans who fought for the independence. And like most Latin
American countries, Mexico found itself with a majority non white
population but with a substantial population being part of the
European Civilisation. Thus, Mexico had this two heritages: An
European and an Indigenous one, and since the independence it
triuphed a liberal European mindset.
Now, the interesting thing about Mexico is that it was a country
with a large Indian heritage that justified independence from Spain
but at the same time, the thinking in Mexico was not too
indegenous but European, although of liberal inclination.
Mexico got an (the only) Indigenous president in the 1860s.
After some time there was a liberal revolution - the Mexican
Revolution - that originated a constitution dated from 1917 in
which we can read that Mexico is a pluricultural indivisible Nation
based on the indigenous comunities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Constitution_of_1917#Article_
2 - Here's Wikipedia.
I believe you know that in Mexico there are no Europeans,
Africans or Indians. All of their are "mestizo" and rightly diserve
California and Texas which have been stole from them.
At least, that's what they say. This is part of the deranged Mexican
multiculturalim that cames from long.
There is also a very widely known Mexican writer who speaks
about a mix-race super race that is destined to take over all the
Americas.
It's all these early multiciltuarism in Mexico that I was talking
about.
August 14, 2009 6:30 PM
Roman said...
Altogether, the issue of slavery is very complicated indeed,
especially in Eastern Europe.
Actually serfdom(a different name for slavery) in big parts of
Poland ended in 1864 only! Even later than in Russia! I refer to so
called "Congress Poland" under Russian control.
The tensions resulting from this are still noticeable - the parts of
the society that have some aristocratic background still despise
peasants, who were kept uneducated for generations. I suspect
that "Polish jokes" common in the US have to do with the influx of
illiterate Polish peasants to America in 19th century.
This split in the society was the main reason for the loss of
independence in 18th century. The ruling "Sarmatians", as the
Polish nobility started to call themselves (inventing their ancient
ancestry), claimed that they are the only rightful citizens and
removed any chances of upward mobility for peasants. This in
consequence weakened the town folk and replaced the native
bourgeois with large Jewish petty merchant class who were easily
controlled and acted on behalf of the nobles. Which resulted in the
famous Polish populist anti-semitism and general backwardness.
Btw - it isn't my theory, Norman Davies has described it in his
books - he is considered by many the best in the field of Polish
history. Altogether this subject is rather avoided by native Polish
historians, since it undermines the much -cherished myth of
greatness of the First Republic (until 1795) which fell prey to "evil"
Russia, Prussia and Austria and not to the general corruption of
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the Polish ruling class.
Most of the Westerners have heard about Russian serfdom
through Nicolai Gogol and his "Dead Souls". The situation was
rather similar in most of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - a sad
story.
This post might be perceived a bit off-topic, but I think it (that
being so recent) might help us to widen the scope of discussion.
Actually very large part of these serfs were of Germanic origin,
having been invited (imported) en masse since Mongol
invasions(starting 1241), which completely depopulated large
parts of Poland. Scores of villages by the name of "Olendry" (the
Hollanders) attest to that. There is a village called Wilamowice
(from Willem probably) where Germanic language is still spoken.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wymysorys
August 14, 2009 8:39 PM
Afonso Henriques said...
Roman, you're a Polish guy that also comment on Brussels
Journal, right?
Anyway, I liked your comment and I don't think it is off topic
especially once Con Swede invited people here to answer to the
Gates of Vienna thread.
I don't know much about Eastern European serfdom or Germanic
serfdom and I truly cannot identify much with an advent like the
Thirty Years War due to cultural dissimilarities but my impression
is that "serfdom" in Western Europe was different from that in
Eastern Europe.
But I also only know some things about it over the Atlantic fringe.
And now that I think about it, we here on Portugal and Spain
under feudalism had some other entrepies going on sush as war,
war, war, ethnic tensions, war and colonisation.
So that my impression is that here "serfdom" was just the hard life
of poor, brute but good people in the fields. I don't think that my
grandfather was less of a slave than the serfs of the Visigoths, for
instance. My father.... that's an whole different story.
August 14, 2009 11:37 PM
Conservative Swede said...
Afonso,
We'll not fight about it, will we?
You seriously need to make a choice.
Either you continue with your cocky and taunting style. But then
you shouldn't come whining, in this way, when you are met in the
same manner.
Or you conform with a well-behaved manner to start with, and you
do not need to lose face.
I think the second choice will cause less trouble for all of us.
August 15, 2009 2:41 AM
Engineer-Poet said...
NB: deporting the former slaves was a non-starter even in the
1860's. Who would have worked the cotton fields of the former
plantations? Certainly not people from the industrial cities of the
North! Shutting down the economy of the South was as contrary
to the goals of Reconstruction as it was to the need of the North
for that same cotton.
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Conservative Swede: America as the birthplace of Multiculturalism and Political Correctness
7/27/11 12:49 AM
There would have been an immediate need to import a new
worker class to replace the one just deported. Then, as now, the
business elite was interested in cheap labor. They turned the
freed slaves into sharecroppers held in debt peonage and
business went on for the better part of a century. We are still
paying the price.
You can see echoes of this cheap-labor paradigm (socializing the
costs, privatizing the profits) in the use of illegal immigrant and
"refugee" labor in meat-packing plants and agriculture around the
USA. The solution is to get rid of cheap labor and mechanize,
mechanize, mechanize! Machines wind up in museums, not
causing social ills to the seventh generation and beyond.
August 17, 2009 3:39 AM
Conservative Swede said...
So therefore the former slaves were made citizens!!??!?
And today the Americans are equally eager to make their illegal
aliens residents and then citizens. That REALLY makes sense,
riiight! It's like an obsession, a madman obsession.
Didn't deport them, fine. But why on earth make them citizens!
THAT's the issue!
The problem here is that modern people (and Americans since
their inception) are completely devoid of understanding the
meaning of citizenship, and the consequences of its meaning. The
most vacuous ones do not even grasp that it has a meaning at all.
It's like if people started seeing marriage as of no special
importance anymore. But wait, that is pretty much how it is too in
the West today, isn't it?
August 17, 2009 2:16 PM
Engineer-Poet said...
"Didn't deport them, fine. But why on earth make them citizens!
THAT's the issue!"
Having obliterated the nationality they would have inherited from
their parents, what nation would they belong to? Deporting them
would have been kinder than denying them a nation to belong to.
This is the logic behind the Fourteenth Amendment.
If we have problems today, perhaps the solution is to encourage
the problem people to leave. Commute prison sentences if they
surrender their citizenship and leave the country, pay the welfare
cases to go where their fees will buy a house and servants, and
so forth.
August 17, 2009 3:48 PM
Lucille said...
Hmm. You compare the Islamic world and the American countries;
but what about other societies - Ancient Rome? the Byzantine
empire? China? Greece? Persia? the Aztecs? What were the
normal practices?
I think I need to find some good history books...
My theory (although I'm not sure of it) is that geography had a lot
to do with the difference. Simply allowing natural replacement was
easier and cheaper than primarily relying on the transatlantic
shipments.
Engineer: the answer to your question is simple: they would have
been replaced by European laborers.
August 19, 2009 3:47 PM
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7/27/11 12:49 AM
Engineer-Poet said...
I'm skeptical. Even if European laborers would have accepted the
jobs at a wage which left the cotton plantations competitive with
e.g. Egypt, would they have been able to remain in business
during the upset caused by the changeover?
Historical contingency is a powerful thing. Once the South built its
fortune on cotton grown by slave labor, no easy or quick changes
were possible. This is why we have to get rid of cheap labor
industries in the USA; we are just repeating the same folly.
August 23, 2009 8:10 PM
Lucille said...
"Political correctness" was not unknown in Europe before the
post-war era...
August 29, 2009 7:55 PM
Engineer-Poet said...
Dickens' personal conversion story is very different from the
orthodoxy of PC.
August 30, 2009 3:08 PM
John Sobeiski said...
I have lived in Sweden for a few years now, and am up for
citizenship.
The amazing thing i have found here is that native Swedes seem
to feel some form of embarrassment towards their own nationality.
It is almost like they are continually apologising for something that
they have never done.
The leftist movement (IMO) is always labelling patriots as racist
rightwing extremists. One example that I noticed was that when I
first came to this country, there was an abundance of anti-nazi
propaganda (graffiti with swastika's and a cross over saying
"Nazister forsvinn").
Whereas, there was absolutely no sign of Nazi presence at all.
There were no skinheads, or propaganda. I am no advocate for
Nazi ideology, but in this case it would appear that the
leftist/muslim group were trying to indicate there was a problem by
creating the illusion of an issue.
This was my first impression of Sweden - oh did I mention this
was in a predominantly immigrant neighbourhood?
Why are Swedes so quick to defend an ideology that only causes
them pain? Is Sweden headed for complete internal collapse and
civil-war?
September 02, 2009 5:23 PM
Rocha said...
CS,
It's good tyo know that you noticed my post, since was the end of
the posts and almost everyone had spent theirs i didn't think if i
was noticed. Afonso ideas of citezenship are close to mine (i
reject the monarchist overtones) what do you think of it?
I have to say that i'm somewhat puzzed about some of your ideas
(the uber-germanic empire disgusts me) but others times your
ideas make me think again, and i like to think. =]
September 08, 2009 5:59 PM
Conservative Swede said...
http://conswede.blogspot.com/2009/08/america-as-birthplace-of.html
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